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Waiting for Liberals to actually have a thought out response to the excellent resources the MLs of this community provide.
the real question: where is the liberal equivalent of @Cowbee@lemmy.ml
Something something square Something something tanks
And don’t forget that China has billionaires!
Yeah and they don’t control the government like in the US but vice-versa.
Democracy is only as good as the voters. The average Chinese is better educated and a better citizen overall than the average USAmerican. Thus the difference in results. My experience with Chinese and USAians confirm this, even if anecdotal. I could have just missed the bad Chinese and was overexposed to bad USAians.
Democracy is only as good as the voters.
I wouldn’t know. I’ve never lived in one.
Western liberal democracies are structurally flawed, and despite the immense systemic advantage capital already enjoys, capital still needs to manipulate education, religion, and media to persuade people to vote against their own material interests. The result is a political landscape that, in many cases, produces outcomes more dysfunctional than those seen in some modern monarchies or even historic feudal systems—yet with the added disadvantage that many citizens remain unaware of their own diminished political and economic conditions, convinced they live in the freest societies on earth and that everything elsewhere must be worse. Concluding such a system is not truly democratic, or merely a democracy of the bourgeoisie is a valid conclusion, because whether systematic or through manipulation of education, religion and media, they are the only ones who benefit from it, and the majority have no means of getting what they want.
I know you already know this. This comment was meant for any lurker who doesn’t know. The people who think they are one election away from fixing the system if they would only voter harder.
Also bourgeois/liberal democracy is the quintessence of adopting democratic aesthetics, forms, and language without any actual democratic function. No one can vote according to their interests, and no one’s votes actually influence policy.
The reason most modern imperialist states have evolved their own form of liberal democracy is because of how effective it is at mediating domestic capitalist contradictions so they can be externalized.
If the US were somehow a true functional democracy it would have evolved beyond capitalism decades ago.
“To decide once every few years which member of the ruling class is to repress and crush the people through parliament - such is the real essence of bourgeois parliamentarianism, not only in parliamentary-constitutional monarchies, but also in the most democratic republics.”
― Vladimir Lenin, The State and Revolution
Do not confuse Technocracy with Socialism. While Chinese Technocracy is Socialist, Technocracy alone can be a massive problem.
China is still the world’s leading polluter, in a time where those so-called “scientists” most definitely know what they’re doing contributing to global climate change like they are. No country is innocent, but making no attempt to not be first isn’t a defensible policy position.
China is the world’s biggest emitter of carbon gases**
Yeah, because it’s the second-largest population in the world and it’s producing & exporting the world’s products. You don’t get to de-industrialize, import your products, and then chastise your producers for using more energy than you, when they’re using that energy for you.
China is also the largest green energy user and producer of green energy technology, which it also exports.
The Economist: China’s clean-energy revolution will reshape markets and politics
ROFL. Stow the faux benevolence. It’s nonsense. Nobody is acting out of the goodness of their hearts in a capitalist transaction. They’re choosing to pollute instead of choosing to do other things. That’s not for anyone’s benefit but their own. The long-term consequences are so well-understood that only the extremely selfish are optimizing for the short-term.
China’s choice to build a national highway system instead of a national railway system wasn’t done with ecological concerns as the priority. They’re, again, choosing to pollute more purely because of the short-run benefit instead of doing something else that optimizes for humanity’s collective benefit.
So weird how the supposedly collectivist country isn’t acting in all of our best interest. Communism is an idea so good that they’ll silence you forever if you disagree.
instead of
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Anything possible when you make shit up 🤷
Meanwhile in the real world:
You’re losing
ROFL. Stow the faux benevolence
Go back to Reddit
Lotta comments from accounts a few days old, or with less than 50 comments in several years. Interesting.
But I was told by Piefed and MoG that Tankies infiltrate every community!! Why would they project?!
Is that a real photo in the bottom? Fucking incredible if it is.
It is
I love the smell of false dichotomy in the morning. Smells like… propaganda
Yay politics in my memes again.
lol hong kong
Edit: if your best meme and viral defense of china is “america bad”, then it’s not good enough lmao
Edit: downvoting but not refuting? 😔 shocker
It’s good that Hong Kong is no longer a British colony.
Is it also good that citizens were brutalized for protesting?
Nope that’s bad. Cops hurting protesters is bad even when the protesters are wrong.
Less bad than the wrong protesters getting their way and Hong Kong staying a colony of the UK…but still bad, for sure.
Right… that’s what the protests were over. They were still a colony and not an autonomous zone with a local government which cooperated with the national government. They were protesting to stay a colony. 100%
Edit: how about everyone stops lying and just presents good faith arguments instead of easily dismissed attempts at conflating reality with some westerncentric fantasy.
Edit2: btw “harm reduction is okay and makes up for everything when it’s MY authoritarian camp perpetuating violence against innocents!”
Edit3: “our atrocities are justifiable because they serve the greater good! 🤓”
They’re both bad…
Ooooh, you forgot to say ‘Um, Actually…’ so we cannot award you the point. Any other toddlers posing as anarchists can buzz in now to steal.
And now for the final question of our game which always pertains to real life skills. Buzz in if you can find the incorrect part of this statement: “Developing an accurate view of the world is difficult if you don’t have a method to verify information. One surefire way to know what’s going on thousands of miles away is to trust anonymous sources and NGOs at their word when they tell you through western mass media and without any proof that our adversaries are doing evil things.”
Um actually, you shouldn’t rely on the media, and you should just assume every geopolitical rival of the US is evil based on nothing.
China is good actually.
Behold the peak of liberal geopolitical analysis
how many bombs has China dropped in the last 20 years?
Yeah USA is terrible. Being better than USA is not a high threshold. China is still a terrible country:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/china
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/
Again, how many bombs is that?
I mean maybe it’s just an American values thing but I actually don’t think scientists are as bad as Epstein associates.
Scientists are much better than paedophiles like Trump obviously. But China is run by murderers and criminals:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/china
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/
I’m tired of being surrounded by propaganda. Do better.
Tell that to your pedophile rulers
we do
lmao the fuck you do
Once I stop reading “two things can be true at once” whenever your nazi pedophile rulers tell you something bad about the next country they want to destroy maybe I’ll believe you
Americans are protesting in historic numbers regularly. Larger than anything aside from the earth day protests that I am aware of. This narrative that Americans are rolling over and accepting this is false. It’s not being reported.
Of course that’s not enough l, but it’s counterproductive to spread information that contributes to a sense of learned helplessness. Trump is a traitor and a serial child rapist and murder, and all true Americans believe this and are fighting however they can.
You don’t do jack shit
@Amnesigenic @ChadGPT2 They do shit, inc Jack. And Pete.
Cool story
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p4M-Prike98
Denver, traffic lights made to say Trump is a pedophile etc
But maybe you thinking of other kinda shi ppl should be doin? Do share, we need all hands on deck in this global clusterfuck 🤍🌸🕊️
Congrats, you’ve raised awareness! Unfortunately everyone is already 100% aware of the problem so this is useless performative bullshit
They can both be bad.
They aren’t, though. China is a rising socialist state, and the US is a dying, brutal empire run be pedophiles and fascists.
Lol ty
Ohh, so I get to pick which awful country is better? Cool choices.
Edit: aaaaaaand the tankies show up.
Why do you think China is awful?
While I don’t posit that China is uniquely awful here are some low lights:
- The oppression of the Uyghur Muslims
- The invasion of Tibet
- The threatened annexation of Taiwan
- The Tiananmen Square massacre. Shall I go on?
I’m sure the people of Tibet would much rather have continued living as barefoot slaves under a medieval theocracy of pedophile priests who tortured them, sexually abused them and made arts and crafts out of their body parts.
CW Insane Leatherface-type Horror Shit, including a flayed toddler skin: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/tvs5pj/remembering_tibet_here_and_there_warning_graphic/
I can always tell when someone doesn’t know shit about Tibet beyond what they absorbed from 90s pop culture when their reflexive, programmed hatred for China leads them to side with the absolute nightmare kingdom that the PLA liberated people from. If you would have a problem with Mormons taking over all of America and imposing brutal Deseret Law on millions of people, then boy do I have some fucking news for you about Old Tibet.
Fuck the overlords, fuck the llamas
Now look up “Taiwan White Terror”.
Their were excesses during the ETIM crackdown no doubt, however much of those have since been rectified and the crackdown was unfortunately necessary. The crackdown was also far more humane and reasonable in response to the terrorism in comparison to the western world that spent decades killing hundreds of thousands to over a million innocents in the middle east (not to mention Abu gharib, Guantanamo and the other black sites).
Tibetan serfs and slaves requested the PLA’s help in overthrowing their violent theocratic slave state.
Do you support the reunification of Ireland? Do you support the reunification of Korea (who reunified with who being irrelevant)? Are you a supporter of the American confederacy? Why should China not be allowed to finish it’s civil war? Also invasion is the last resort, peaceful reunification is the ideal.
A violent clash between police and protesters (who started the violence) over 35 years ago makes China awful? Certainly an interesting perspective.
- Oppression of Uyghur ISIS terrorist members.
- Liberation of British-colonized Tibet, run by a local theocrat that enslaved most of its people and by enslaved I mean they had officially been designated as serfs to the state, as human property of the clergy, by law.
- You can’t annex your own country, but what you can do is support an expelled far-right party of a country that kills the indigenous people of an island and pretend that these murderers are somehow the victims.
- The Tiananmen square insurgency was a CIA-backed coup attempt where the insurgents murdered 100+ Chinese army choir soldiers that were on their way to the square to sing out the protesters off the square.
Go on…
Oh wow more authoritarian genocide denialists. You’re either really scummy or really brainwashed.
ExplainThe biggest media censorship machine on earth has failed to hide a genocide in Gaza (that you people screamed we had to vote for) and lied about it for years, but somehow that same Epstein media machine is totally telling the truth about an invisible bloodless genocide in China. Evidence means nothing to you white supremacists, only imperial loyalty.
By the way, do you deny the ethnic cleansing of eastern Ukraine by the nazi junta government?
My Chinese friends living in New Zealand as dual citizens are afraid to criticize the Chinese government even in private online conversations. That says a lot, I think.
That says a lot, I think.
It certainly does but mostly about them lmao. If you ever end up living in China you’ll come to realise criticizing and debating about the government is like the second most popular conversation topic. We love it, it’s almost a national pass time.
But do you do it in public, online or offline? What about protests? What about strikes?
Where are the independent news organizations and invitations to during media to prove to the world everything we think is wrong with the Converse government is a lie?
Why the great firewall of China?
Yes, people discuss government policy in public and offline all the time. It’s a very normal topic of conversation. In practice, serious political discussion tends to happen face-to-face because that’s simply a better format for nuanced debate, but there is also plenty of discussion online. What generally gets censored online are calls for overthrowing the state, organizing mass unrest, or similar things. Many countries draw similar lines around incitement or destabilization.
Protests and strikes do occur, but they are usually local and issue-specific rather than ideological movements aimed at regime change. Labor disputes, land disputes, corruption complaints, etc. happen all the time and are often resolved through administrative or legal channels. The political culture tends to focus more on petitioning, negotiation, and internal pressure than on permanent protest movements.
On “independent” media: Independent from whom? In Western countries most major media outlets are owned by a very small number of large corporations or billionaires. Those owners influence what gets covered, what narratives dominate, and what perspectives are marginalized. Calling that system “independent” while ignoring ownership power is a very selective definition of independence.
The firewall was originally created to foster and protect China’s fledgling digital infrastructure and data sovereignty. That was a legitimate policy choice. Many countries regulate foreign platforms and data flows. China built its own ecosystem instead of depending on foreign companies. We have seen what happens when foreign platforms operate without local oversight: Facebook facilitating genocide in Myanmar, coordinated anti-vax disinformation campaigns in Southeast Asia, algorithm-driven radicalization. The firewall makes those kinds of external influence operations harder to run at scale.
I like many others here support the firewall even though it can be inconvenient (so long as vpns remain accessible and legal). I have seen the alternatives. The trade off makes sense to us.
