• Lussy [he/him, des/pair]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    I imagine Greek Democracy was something as nonsensical yet consequential as crypto, commoners just being like, ‘there goes that wealthy mechant Tsimikas family doing their bullshit song and dance again. Just be governor no one cares’

  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    In bourgeois ‘democracy’, electoralism serves to legitimize and perpetuate the interests of the ruling class. Should laborers become the ruling class, I don’t have a problem with it doing the same.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    Communal society: Electoralism is cringe.

    Slave society: Electoralism is cringe.

    Feudal society: Electoralism is cringe.

    Liberal society: noooooo, electoral democracy portents the end of history elections are based nooooo

    Socialist society: Electoralism is cringe.

    Communist society: Electoralism is cringe.

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    The great lie of liberal democracy is the idealist notion that literally anything can be voted in if enough people vote for it, and that this will have political supremacy over those in power. This analysis puts the state outside of class struggle, above it, and not as the mutually reinforcing superstructural aspect of society. The role of the state is to reinforce the base, ie the mode of production, and it does so through propagating ruling class ideology (ie, liberalism), and through a monopoly of violence.

    Electoralism is a sham. The lessons of the failures of electoralism scar the global south, the coup against comrade Allende taught us all too well. The state is not outside or above class struggle, but is mired in it. Without replacing the bourgeois state with a socialist, proletarian one, the ready-made levers for reinforcing the bourgeois mode of production will cause a reversion. The Paris Commune was the first such example of this failure in action, and it has happened again, such as with the coup against Allende and the installment of Pinochet.

    What is there to do, then? Organize. Build up parallel structures that take the place of existing capitalist mechanisms. Join a party, read theory, and solidify the politically advanced of the working class under one united banner. Build a dedication to the people, defend and platform the indigenous, colonized, queer, disabled, marginalized communities, and unite the broad working class. It is through organization and revolution that we can actually move on into a better world.

    If anyone reading wants a place to start with theory, I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list, aimed at absolute beginners. Give it a look!

  • SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    You’re giving the liberals too much credit by saying they admit that electoralism has never worked.

    The liberal position is not only that electoralism works but that it is the only thing that works.

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    It depends what you mean by “work”. While he certainly didn’t see it as sufficient, Marx wasn’t categorically against involvement in electoral politics, so he must’ve seen some “work” in it.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
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      9 months ago

      Participation in the electoral pulpit as a platform for agitation is a larger topic, but Marx advocated for the revolutionary overthrow of bourgeios republics his entire adult life.