taiwan is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie literally funded by the us. south korea is occupied land by the us after they lost the war. israel is a nazi state sustained in its current form for the purpose of genociding the entire middle east. ukraine is a puppet state that has been receiving cia funding, military training, and equipment with the only purpose of destabilizing russia. so essentially they’re all varying degrees of us imperialism in different shades.
they didn’t but that was the plan. if russia wouldn’t have invaded the idea would have been to fund paramilitary groups that do terrorist attacks. it’s the same fucking tactic they’ve used in xinjiang and many fucking other places. the difference is that russia didn’t let these right wing terrorists do their thang. thus the SMO started.
what you seem to be cool about is with the us militarily funding white supremacist groups in ukraine to kill ethnic russian in the donetsk and luhansk. you’re so full of shit you can’t even say anything about past imperialist projects by the us, those are probably real and verified by the cia, but you would have said the same shit you’re saying now if this were vietnam. you’d be convincing me how the vietnamese are filthy red rats who’re no better than shit and that you’re doing a better job since you’re bringing democracy to them. you’re white, you know better than them. it’s a rule.
don’t come to me with bullshit moraline because i don’t want a single hit of that cia fabricated crap.
i can’t say these are very good sources since they’re western so they’re in bed with the us regime.
It’s not Europe. It’s a bit different… There is a war here.
The law has changed, procedures have been simplified…
If I choose to, I can have you arrested right now, put a
bag over your head and lock you up in a cellar for 30
days on suspicion of aiding separatists.
–Aidar battalion commander to Amnesty
International researcher
Just a few days before the invasion, the LPR was shelled so heavily and threatened to such an extent that the population was told to evacuate - A population that is primarily russian. https://archive.ph/YFDL5 Longer report describing breaches of Minsk I and II. The breaches are generally carried out by far right ukrainian militias, for the purpose of scaring away ethnic russians - A form of ethnic cleansing.
As far as the report goes, I’ll have to get back to you on that when I have a chance to read it. But leading with an RIA article doesn’t really help your article.
They are both being used by the US as tools of imperialism. “Israel” in case of West Asia and Ukraine as a spearhead against Russia. Ukraine’s government was overthrown in a coup in 2014 and had been conducting ethnic cleansing on Eastern Ukraine until Russia intervened.
Oh boy, you really need to be walked thru the steps, huh? I’ll try to spell it out for you: Making a mockery out of the other persons argument is a form of rebuttal. Your attempt at mockery was piss-poor.
If you want to improve yourself consider practicing by moving beyond the simple “I know what you are, what am I” you’ve attempted in this response.
These nations comprise more than 100 million people. Even if the Epstein class personally impregnated 100 million children to deliver the population, the countries would still have basic legitimacy, because they contain these people.
If you’re about to hit me with your definition of these countries just being the respective governments, not the people within, then you are using a definition outside the norm and should not be surprised that you piss people off, no matter what propaganda you want to believe in.
Names of countries and borders around people change all the time. They are in perpetual flux.
The countries change, yet the people within them are the same, across that change.
If you think states or nations are inextricably linked to their people, your definitional “norm” is probably some form of propaganda, and has little to do with historical reality. Or, maybe you are a goldfish.
Regardless, no, your own inability to comprehend the distinction between a population and a state is not a failure that most other people share. It’s actually easy and commonplace for human beings to recognize that they are not in fact identical to the entity that governs them. I’m sure even you are actually capable of it too, since even the most diehard fanatical nationalist doesn’t unquestioningly agree with everything their state does or mistake themselves for their government when they look in a mirror, or mistake their state for themselves when they see a flag in a meme.
Sure some people identify with their state, but none of them identify as their state, the way you’re trying to make out as if they do with your weird impregnation analogy.
But I get it, it’s rhetorically handy to be able to preemptively discredit the most obvious counter to your argument by stating a falsehood about it and then pretending what you said is “the norm.” That way you don’t have to account for that pesky reality getting in the way of the point you’re trying to make.
The absurdity of your claim also becomes apparent as soon as it’s pointed out that there are significant numbers of people within each of those countries (excepting maybe “Israel”) who would fullheartedly agree with the OP image and affirm the illegitimacy of the state that rules over them.
All countries have people in the lol. What are you even trying to argue here? There’s plenty of peoples with unrecognised countries. There’s plenty of countries with contested territory and people in the contested territory. There’s plenty of countries with people who don’t consider their country “legitimate” and countries with people who consider separatist movements in their country “illegitimate”. Is your basis for legitimacy wether a country has people and a wikipedia page or what are you trying to get at here?
What a spread of opinions in this one. You are hard to nail down on what you believe.
it’s very easy, the issue is your western bias.
This is not snark, I am actually asking here, because I clearly am missing something.
What does Israel and Ukraine have in common?
taiwan is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie literally funded by the us. south korea is occupied land by the us after they lost the war. israel is a nazi state sustained in its current form for the purpose of genociding the entire middle east. ukraine is a puppet state that has been receiving cia funding, military training, and equipment with the only purpose of destabilizing russia. so essentially they’re all varying degrees of us imperialism in different shades.
How did they destabalize rusdia?
they didn’t but that was the plan. if russia wouldn’t have invaded the idea would have been to fund paramilitary groups that do terrorist attacks. it’s the same fucking tactic they’ve used in xinjiang and many fucking other places. the difference is that russia didn’t let these right wing terrorists do their thang. thus the SMO started.
take a lead test of your bed pan the next time you drink from it.
racism but its cool
ahh white genocide rethoric. got it.
?
So, you’re cool with Russia militarily invading its neighbors?
what you seem to be cool about is with the us militarily funding white supremacist groups in ukraine to kill ethnic russian in the donetsk and luhansk. you’re so full of shit you can’t even say anything about past imperialist projects by the us, those are probably real and verified by the cia, but you would have said the same shit you’re saying now if this were vietnam. you’d be convincing me how the vietnamese are filthy red rats who’re no better than shit and that you’re doing a better job since you’re bringing democracy to them. you’re white, you know better than them. it’s a rule.
don’t come to me with bullshit moraline because i don’t want a single hit of that cia fabricated crap.
Got any proof of this killing of ethnic Russians?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/040/2014/en/ https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/07/21/you-dont-exist/arbitrary-detentions-enforced-disappearances-and-torture-eastern
i can’t say these are very good sources since they’re western so they’re in bed with the us regime.
It’s not Europe. It’s a bit different… There is a war here. The law has changed, procedures have been simplified… If I choose to, I can have you arrested right now, put a bag over your head and lock you up in a cellar for 30 days on suspicion of aiding separatists. –Aidar battalion commander to Amnesty International researcher
While sharing RIA? Come on, dude.
Just a few days before the invasion, the LPR was shelled so heavily and threatened to such an extent that the population was told to evacuate - A population that is primarily russian. https://archive.ph/YFDL5
Longer report describing breaches of Minsk I and II. The breaches are generally carried out by far right ukrainian militias, for the purpose of scaring away ethnic russians - A form of ethnic cleansing.
An article from Russian state-owned media?
As far as the report goes, I’ll have to get back to you on that when I have a chance to read it. But leading with an RIA article doesn’t really help your article.
Here’s a longer response
They are both being used by the US as tools of imperialism. “Israel” in case of West Asia and Ukraine as a spearhead against Russia. Ukraine’s government was overthrown in a coup in 2014 and had been conducting ethnic cleansing on Eastern Ukraine until Russia intervened.
In fact: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel
Genocidal US proxy-state existing mainly to ensure military access/threat towards adversaries.
These flags, what do they all have in common?
They’ve all got blue in them?
They’re all vassal states of the US empire. The US controls them and in south Korea’s case their army is commanded by an Amerikan.
Their only goals are to project their empire’s power and encircle Russia and China. Japan is also a vassal state the same way.
You got all that out of a flag? Farken hell, maybe you Mother Lovers are onto something
This might be the worst attempt at a rebuttal Ive ever seen. They got it from knowing about the countries the flags represent.
I think you mean your buttal. Also how did you think my original comment was not taking the piss?
You should walk around with a helmet on
Oh boy, you really need to be walked thru the steps, huh? I’ll try to spell it out for you: Making a mockery out of the other persons argument is a form of rebuttal. Your attempt at mockery was piss-poor.
If you want to improve yourself consider practicing by moving beyond the simple “I know what you are, what am I” you’ve attempted in this response.
Fuck me, you must be painful on the piss
??
oh true
I believe, jankforlife just believes in pissing off as many people as possible…
it’ll only piss you off if you believe in the epstein class’ propaganda.
These nations comprise more than 100 million people. Even if the Epstein class personally impregnated 100 million children to deliver the population, the countries would still have basic legitimacy, because they contain these people.
If you’re about to hit me with your definition of these countries just being the respective governments, not the people within, then you are using a definition outside the norm and should not be surprised that you piss people off, no matter what propaganda you want to believe in.
Names of countries and borders around people change all the time. They are in perpetual flux.
The countries change, yet the people within them are the same, across that change.
If you think states or nations are inextricably linked to their people, your definitional “norm” is probably some form of propaganda, and has little to do with historical reality. Or, maybe you are a goldfish.
Excellent illustration of my point. Thanks!
Is your point that you’re immune to reason?
Regardless, no, your own inability to comprehend the distinction between a population and a state is not a failure that most other people share. It’s actually easy and commonplace for human beings to recognize that they are not in fact identical to the entity that governs them. I’m sure even you are actually capable of it too, since even the most diehard fanatical nationalist doesn’t unquestioningly agree with everything their state does or mistake themselves for their government when they look in a mirror, or mistake their state for themselves when they see a flag in a meme.
Sure some people identify with their state, but none of them identify as their state, the way you’re trying to make out as if they do with your weird impregnation analogy.
But I get it, it’s rhetorically handy to be able to preemptively discredit the most obvious counter to your argument by stating a falsehood about it and then pretending what you said is “the norm.” That way you don’t have to account for that pesky reality getting in the way of the point you’re trying to make.
The absurdity of your claim also becomes apparent as soon as it’s pointed out that there are significant numbers of people within each of those countries (excepting maybe “Israel”) who would fullheartedly agree with the OP image and affirm the illegitimacy of the state that rules over them.
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Seems like a better way of making that point would’ve been to just say it
Go back to reddit
it’s about who controls them right now.
without the united states empire taiwan, south korea, and isreal would not exist as countries and ukraine wouldn’t be controlled by fascists.
Do you believe in the basic legitimacy of the DPRK, sometimes called “North Korea”?
All countries have people in the lol. What are you even trying to argue here? There’s plenty of peoples with unrecognised countries. There’s plenty of countries with contested territory and people in the contested territory. There’s plenty of countries with people who don’t consider their country “legitimate” and countries with people who consider separatist movements in their country “illegitimate”. Is your basis for legitimacy wether a country has people and a wikipedia page or what are you trying to get at here?
This theory is, this with all due respect, a failure of imagination.
The only ones I piss off are lemmy libs such as yourself LMBO
What does lmbo stand for?
They answered in a different thread. It’s “Laughing my butt off”.
Thanks. I guess they’re trying to make it a thing?