The kind that also thinks that capitalism is evil and the US is bad but somehow everything the US State Department says about a socialist country is correct.
Please stop. As said in another reply to you: I’m not arguing China is bad for a state. But the government of any nation does fucked up shit. Maybe it’s necessary, maybe there was truly no way around it. I don’t know. But it is a reality you have to accept.
Its probably a decade old meme at this point, which is besides the point, and is why you dodged the content of the meme. No revolution will ever meet your standards. Millions of people are too busy building socialism and lifting people out of poverty to care what some western anarchist thinks about them.
I’m not criticizing the Chinese people or even China. I’m criticizing naive people who think systems like national governments don’t develop horrible outcroppings as part of self-perpetuation.
I’m not even saying that’s avoidable, i.e. I’m not saying that China could be much better. I’m just saying that it’s denial to ignore, downplay, or bury every bit of negative reality just because it’s caused by a source you want to defend.
I get where they’re coming from, China certainly gets a lot right. But some people here are denying that any of the bad parts exist and just unquestioningly glaze the government of a nation state.
Like why do they simp for a country so hard that the only thing separating them from a nationalist in that country is the fact that they never actually participated in its culture and have even less of a clue about the reality of living there?
No, I got enough reasonable-looking but ultimately dubious canned responses. It’s weird that drone footage and other videos are enough to convince some people of bad things happening in countries they don’t like while the same level of evidence doesn’t have the same sway for bad things happening in countries they like.
I get that socialism can’t be perfect in a world so shackled by capitalism. I don’t get why some people convince themselves that China is a perfect example of socialism.
I’m really not in the mood to watch Very Convinced individuals try to e.g. ridicule violence protest suppression by calling it “tinyman square”.
But some people here are denying that any of the bad parts exist and just unquestioningly glaze the government of a nation state.
Show me a single one. This is what you guys always do: pretend that the communist is a religious zealot and the Bad Guy States are his religion, because the idea that support for a socialist country could actually be the outcome of a sober calculation instead of exposure to dark communist magic or something is, i guess, unfathomable? Too threatening to your own ideas of ideological purity and superiority to seriously consider? Anyway yeah, show me one
Like why do they simp for a country so hard that the only thing separating them from a nationalist in that country is the fact that they never actually participated in its culture and have even less of a clue about the reality of living there?
See what I mean? This is fanfiction, you’re writing fiction in which communists are the mindless simp wojack and you’re the chad who supports nothing. None of it has any connection to reality unless you can show me this “simping”. Super cool that you use incel lingo BTW.
And you wanna talk connection to reality? We have people in China, including one with a degree in Marxism, here. We’re constantly talking about the actual conditions in the country with people who actually live there. The idea that we’re all just sat around telling each other stories about China with a certainty and fervor that belies a complete lack of factual data is, franky, some wild projection by western leftists.
On the one hand we talk about the actual conditions of the country with people who live there, then on the other hand we get to turn around and deal with the most cliche, easily disproven US State Department dogshit about any given socialist country, day in day out, from people like you who think you’re rescuing us from our own understanding.
Thank you. Yeah this whole post smells like some specific agenda-driven perspective, with some shills protecting OP’s perspective. I’ve got no dog in this fight, apart from the fact I was born on this planet Earth and have no choice but to witness shenanigans all around me.
You people need to learn to accept the fact that some people just actually disagree with you. I know you were sheltered from it on Reddit, but it’s not actually some grand conspiracy
I have no idea what he said, but it must have been controversial, 11 people upvoted it 😱
You can read it here: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?userId=3647224
It’s pretty funny how thin-skinned the mods of a few instances are. My takes aren’t even controversial, they’re just not wanted.
How much of an insufferable edgelord do you have to be to try and reframe mods removing rule breaking comments as “mods need thicker skin”
The kind that also thinks that capitalism is evil and the US is bad but somehow everything the US State Department says about a socialist country is correct.
Wrong, I’m an anarchist. I don’t believe any nation state has a great track record, and I’ve been 100% correct in this so far.
Please stop. As said in another reply to you: I’m not arguing China is bad for a state. But the government of any nation does fucked up shit. Maybe it’s necessary, maybe there was truly no way around it. I don’t know. But it is a reality you have to accept.
“Please stop forcing me to move my goalposts with single images that show my critiques to be idealistic and divorced from material reality.”
I’ve been very clear in what I’m saying the whole time. You’re trying to debate.
Did you make this just to discredit me by vague association with a stoner hope looking dude?
Its probably a decade old meme at this point, which is besides the point, and is why you dodged the content of the meme. No revolution will ever meet your standards. Millions of people are too busy building socialism and lifting people out of poverty to care what some western anarchist thinks about them.
I’m not criticizing the Chinese people or even China. I’m criticizing naive people who think systems like national governments don’t develop horrible outcroppings as part of self-perpetuation.
I’m not even saying that’s avoidable, i.e. I’m not saying that China could be much better. I’m just saying that it’s denial to ignore, downplay, or bury every bit of negative reality just because it’s caused by a source you want to defend.
This is just the inverse of “all lives matter”
I get where they’re coming from, China certainly gets a lot right. But some people here are denying that any of the bad parts exist and just unquestioningly glaze the government of a nation state.
Like why do they simp for a country so hard that the only thing separating them from a nationalist in that country is the fact that they never actually participated in its culture and have even less of a clue about the reality of living there?
Could I get a list of the bad parts you see denied frequently on here?
No, I got enough reasonable-looking but ultimately dubious canned responses. It’s weird that drone footage and other videos are enough to convince some people of bad things happening in countries they don’t like while the same level of evidence doesn’t have the same sway for bad things happening in countries they like.
I get that socialism can’t be perfect in a world so shackled by capitalism. I don’t get why some people convince themselves that China is a perfect example of socialism.
I’m really not in the mood to watch Very Convinced individuals try to e.g. ridicule violence protest suppression by calling it “tinyman square”.
Show me a single one. This is what you guys always do: pretend that the communist is a religious zealot and the Bad Guy States are his religion, because the idea that support for a socialist country could actually be the outcome of a sober calculation instead of exposure to dark communist magic or something is, i guess, unfathomable? Too threatening to your own ideas of ideological purity and superiority to seriously consider? Anyway yeah, show me one
See what I mean? This is fanfiction, you’re writing fiction in which communists are the mindless simp wojack and you’re the chad who supports nothing. None of it has any connection to reality unless you can show me this “simping”. Super cool that you use incel lingo BTW.
And you wanna talk connection to reality? We have people in China, including one with a degree in Marxism, here. We’re constantly talking about the actual conditions in the country with people who actually live there. The idea that we’re all just sat around telling each other stories about China with a certainty and fervor that belies a complete lack of factual data is, franky, some wild projection by western leftists.
On the one hand we talk about the actual conditions of the country with people who live there, then on the other hand we get to turn around and deal with the most cliche, easily disproven US State Department dogshit about any given socialist country, day in day out, from people like you who think you’re rescuing us from our own understanding.
I’m not even saying that China is bad for a nation state. I’m just saying that bad shit is happening, state-sanctioned, in every nation state.
I’ve shown people drone footage, they don’t believe it. No evidence is enough for people who already made up their mind.
Thank you. Yeah this whole post smells like some specific agenda-driven perspective, with some shills protecting OP’s perspective. I’ve got no dog in this fight, apart from the fact I was born on this planet Earth and have no choice but to witness shenanigans all around me.
You people need to learn to accept the fact that some people just actually disagree with you. I know you were sheltered from it on Reddit, but it’s not actually some grand conspiracy