• davel@lemmy.ml
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        5 months ago

        I don’t know how people can maintain their suspension of disbelief at this point.

        How do people still not see that, as horrendous as a child rape ring is, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just an entertaining diversion for these people, whose day job is running the imperial core.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          I think it’s really hard for people to accept that everything they believed in is basically wrong. They don’t live in a democracy, they don’t have a voice, they can’t vote their way out of the hole they’re in. That’s a hard pill to swallow for the crowd that convinced itself that they just need to vote harder and everything will be alright.

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          I’m worried about the implications that the child sex ring was a honeypot that was supported by multiple intelligence agencies. My understanding is that Maxwell has ties to Mossad and the US government clearly had knowledge of this shit for decades, yet the few investigations went nowhere. Is it simply because the perpetrators were wealthy and influential? Or was it because the whole operation was viewed as an important intelligence asset? In addition to funding the bombing of schools and refugee camps, are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?

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            are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?

            If you’re in the mood for yet another mindfuck today, your federal taxes don’t actually pay for anything. Previously.

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        There is a world of room between “good” and “ran a child sex trafficking ring”. Clinton may be a POS for many reasons and he may have visited Epstine island and maybe even raped children (we don’t know at this point but anyone in the flight logs is sus). That is all absolutely terrible but it’s still very different than kidnapping 10’s or hundreds of children to rape and pimp. And the files seem to indicate that Trump was actively involved in this scheme for decades.

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          5 months ago

          Both Clintons are in the Epstein files hundreds of times. They also both happen to be war criminals.

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            Yeah, the Clintons have done absolutely terrible things. I would never claim otherwise. I don’t remember the Clinton administration very well but I don’t doubt that he’s a war criminal.

            The meme claims that Bill was “keeping child sex slaves” and that isn’t supported by any evidence that I’ve seen.

            Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.

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              Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.

              Indeed they should, but they won’t, because they’re above the law. They shouldn’t be above the law, but they objectively are. What you’re seeing isn’t some rare exception, it’s a peek behind the curtain of how the United States is actually run, and it’s nothing like how it’s supposed to work on paper.

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          maybe even raped children

          but

          I swear, it’s impossible to parody lesser-evilists because you’re all self-parodies at this point.

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            There’s no evidence he did anything inappropriate with kids.

            Trump, however, has been accused by multiple Epstein victims.

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              “There’s no evidence this longtime Epstein associate who flew multiple times on a plane called the Lolita Express did anything inappropriate with kids”

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                Well?

                You’re implying that there is.

                So where is it? You’re setting expectations extremely high for yourself.

                Gonna need that evidence.

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                  The scumbag was accused decades before this came out by plenty women even during his university years.
                  He got away with it because of his position.
                  And once a rapist always a rapist.
                  You can delude yourself all you want if you think he didn’t go to Epstein Island to rape kids.
                  disgusting

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                  You know things are going well for your wealthy rapist of choice when you’re reduced to saying “Well can you prove that he was doing the things that everyone around him was also doing?”

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                Correct. Epstein had connections to his charities. Was for humanitarian work.

                You think Trump released the files with more evidence of him fucking kids than Clinton if there was any other option?

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                  Yeah man the president of the united states totally needed the funding and connections of a known pedophile in order to do some vague, nondescript “social work”.

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            Fair. I do think scale is sometime important. A single murder is not a genocide. But I can see your POV.

            Regardless, Clinton is awful but IDK what he did on the island. If he did rape kids then I hope they throw his ass in jail.

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              I do think scale is sometime important. A single murder is not a genocide.

              Yeah, the clinton wing of the party would never support just one murder.

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        The good ones? You know there’s a difference between “This oligarch is good” and “Both oligarchs are bad, but one is substantially worse”, right?

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            It’s closer to “cancer is worse than HIV”, but that’s not a terrible analogy. While obviously neither is great, cancer is typically much more difficult to manage. HIV is a single virus which is much easier to mitigate, to the point that with modern treatment most people can live a pretty normal life, while cancer is a whole class of diseases for which treatment is much less reliable and much more invasive.

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          Oh look, on of my favorite trolls crawls out of his hole again after long slumber. Last I checked, Beria was executed while your oligarchs continue to be untouchable. Thank your for providing us with a concrete example of the Soviet system being superior.

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              You really gotta love how anarchists see themselves as the ultimate free thinkers, but their views just always happen to be whatever propaganda the pedo elites are putting out. Weird that.

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            Last I checked, Epstein also ended up dying prematurely, while Stalin continued to be untouchable (who btw. married a 14 year old).

            Thank you for providing us with an concrete example of all states being the the same shit.

            Edit: Ok, apparently Stalin’s second wife was 18 when they married (he was 40 at the time). Sounds like he waited until it was formally legal to do so…

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              zionist montefiore probably has a totally nuanced perspective to write a biography about stalin, no doubt!

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              Thank you for providing us with an concrete example of all states being the the same shit.

              You’ve been so blackpilled by capitalist realism that you think it makes you enlightened. It’s a form of self-reinforcing learned helplessness.

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              Sounds like he waited until it was formally legal to do so…

              So a nothingburger. It is absolutely unacceptable by today’s standard for me and many more, not all since in Mexico it’s still fairly common, but Stalin did it in the early 20th century in an especially underdeveloped region, the fact that he “waited” is already a progressive stance for his epoch. Also there is an abyss of difference between marrying a young girl than having a collection or harem of girls to rape whenever one feels like.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              Epstein was just a harem manager for the rich fucks who continue to run around completely unaccountable. Meanwhile, others already pointed out your attempts to spread misinformation here. I guess carrying water for the empire by trying to do the whole both sides bad is really the core identity for anarchists.

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              Stalin’s first wife, Ekaterina Svanidze, was 21 years old when they married in 1906. His second wife, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, was 18 years old at the time of their marriage in 1919.

              More Montefiore nonsense no doubt.

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                Ok, I stand corrected about Stalin not being a totally upstanding person of 40 years old when he married his second wife that just barely turned 18 🙄

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                  This is just silly. Keep moving the goalposts further and further from the founding, child-raping slavers.

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                  Yet still not a pedophile as you were trying to say. Almost like you have an agenda you really want to push. One that really coincides with that of the Epstein alliance.

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    Were the Virginia planters keeping sex slaves capitalists though? Most of the capitalists at the time were up north where slavery was illegal by the founding.